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Agustine

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What you guys need is for the FAA to get their act together. Our new rules for Basic and Advanced are only different in the restrictions as to where one or the other is allowed to fly. Either can take photos\video and charge for them now. It has nothing to do with being commercial any more but if you can get in the air space legally to take that video or photo.
 

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Well, I found this webpage. She places it more clearly.


“Using a sUAS to take photographs for your own personal use would be considered recreational,” according to the FAA’s website. “Using the same device to take photographs or videos for compensation or sale to another individual would be considered a commercial operation.”

This was from February 2018. Many things have changed since then.

Edit: Here is a reply from Allen (BigAl) to someone with a similar question on the matter.

Part 107 technically "allows" for "CIVIL" UAS operations. Part of that "civil" operation can certainly be commercial operations but doesn't exclude other flights that are not "Commercial". This is why Search & Rescue, Crop Inspections, Training & Education and many other flights require Part 107 even though they may not “directly” involve the exchange of $$. Surprisingly to many people, even voluntary flights that do not fall fully inside the Hobby/101 bubble do require Part 107 without any $$/compensation at all.

 
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You did said this:

And yes, 'flying for a friend is VERY CLEARLY in this area. It's recreational flying. And the FAA has defined 'recreational' as 'not for work, business purposes, or for compensation for hire.' It's stated in extremely clear English. 'Flying for a friend' is not work, a business purpose, or for compensation or hire. So it's recreational.
Now, if you can provide us with the proof it falls under this, I am willing to take everything back.
A comprehension of the English language is all I need to prove it. When you're flying for a friend, it's not work, it's not for a business purpose, and it's not for compensation or hire. Therefore, it's recreational flying, according to the FAA rules.

It's that simple. Not sure why you're having trouble comprehending it. The FAA has defined the subset that requires 107. Flying for a friend doesn't fall into that subset. Simple logic.

I took some photos for my cousin's husband of his airb'nb apartment, within a mile of an airport on my DJI drone. I was asked if I was part 107 cerfitied. It was a flight for a friend and yet I had to provide proof. That is how I know you need it for your friend.
You had to provide proof it was part 107 because you were within a mile of an airport. As I non-107 pilot, I wouldn't be allowed to do that. And it would have nothing to do with who I was taking the pictures for.

Stop spreading misinformation.
 

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What you guys need is for the FAA to get their act together. Our new rules for Basic and Advanced are only different in the restrictions as to where one or the other is allowed to fly. Either can take photos\video and charge for them now. It has nothing to do with being commercial any more but if you can get in the air space legally to take that video or photo.
The FAA still makes the distinction between hobbyist and non-hobbyist. And no, a hobbyist flying without a 107 can't work for a realtor to film their properties. Doesn't matter if that property is in restricted airspace or not.
 

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“Using a sUAS to take photographs for your own personal use would be considered recreational,” according to the FAA’s website. “Using the same device to take photographs or videos for compensation or sale to another individual would be considered a commercial operation.”

This was from February 2018. Many things have changed since then.
Yes, the key in that sentence is 'compensation or sale'. Which is what I've been saying all along. Thanks for proving my point.

Edit: Here is a reply from Allen (BigAl) to someone with a similar question on the matter.

Part 107 technically "allows" for "CIVIL" UAS operations. Part of that "civil" operation can certainly be commercial operations but doesn't exclude other flights that are not "Commercial". This is why Search & Rescue, Crop Inspections, Training & Education and many other flights require Part 107 even though they may not “directly” involve the exchange of $$. Surprisingly to many people, even voluntary flights that do not fall fully inside the Hobby/101 bubble do require Part 107 without any $$/compensation at all.
Search and Rescue, Crop inspections, and Training and Education have nothing to do with taking photos for a friend. You're twisting what he's saying.
 

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A comprehension of the English language is all I need to prove it. When you're flying for a friend, it's not work, it's not for a business purpose, and it's not for compensation or hire. Therefore, it's recreational flying, according to the FAA rules.

It's that simple. Not sure why you're having trouble comprehending it. The FAA has defined the subset that requires 107. Flying for a friend doesn't fall into that subset. Simple logic.



You had to provide proof it was part 107 because you were within a mile of an airport. As I non-107 pilot, I wouldn't be allowed to do that. And it would have nothing to do with who I was taking the pictures for.

Stop spreading misinformation.
You have yet to provide me proof where in the FAA webpage is says that. This was before the law changed and hobbyist were still able to fly within airspace with notification, so it could have been done just the same.

You may call it misinformation, I call it facts acepted from specialists in the field.

But what do I and many experienced pilots know. With all that Syma experience as hobbyist pilot, you clearly know more than us.
 
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@SnagsWolf what I suggest you do is call up your FAA hotline. The one where they answer questions and ask your question there. I believe the wording is I am a Rec pilot and fly only as a Rec pilot. That being said if my friend asked me to take photos for him is that legal under Rec rules? I understand that this can seem like a Grey area and you seem to have a hard time taking the comments from a experienced Part 107 pilot so I suggest you take it one step further and ask the FAA. Perhaps then we all can be enlighten.
It would seem no matter what we say it is not what you want to hear so go right to the source and fill us all in.
 
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You have yet to provide me proof where in the FAA webpage is says that.
Seriously? Are you stupid? I only posted it three times.

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You may call it misinformation, I call it facts acepted from specialists in the field.

But what do I and many experienced pilots know. With all that Syma experience as hobbyist pilot, you clearly know more than us.
**** off, moron. Learn how to read and get back to me.
 

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I would encourage anyone interested in this subject to connect with the Drone SAR folks at https://www.dronesar.info/training . They seem to have their ducks in a row on this subject and offer training as well. It is important to coordinate with the incident command to avoid low flying search helicopters or other aircraft engaged in the search. I know several drones were recently deployed searching for a missing preacher in Alabama. He was found safe, but not by the drones.
 

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Here is a qoute from B4 you fly for hobbyists. However, if they wanted you in on the search and no other flights were in the operation you almost would be obligated to do the right thing and help.
  1. Never fly near emergencies such as any type of accident response, law enforcement activities, firefighting, or hurricane recovery efforts.
 

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Fly only for recreational purposes.
My hobby and recreation is taking pictures. How the hell could it be against the law for me to take pictures using my DSLR, Video camera or the camera on my drone of my friends house, his car or his dog and give him a copy. I know for a fact that most of this stuff was written by bureaucrats and they should never be let out of the house. In my humble opinion.
Basic any image you take with a suav that at some point , even if not originally intended, results in someone receiving compensation for the purchase sale or bartar of the subject of that image is considered commercial. Even if you find does not pay you but posts the image to aid in the sale. It's commercial. It's not so much , if you get paid for the image as does the image in anyway and in any sale.
 

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