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Do you regret buying an Autel and think you should have bought MP2?

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Agree, EVO & MP2 aren't in the same bracket. The EVO resides in the middle between M1-MA and MP2.
For what it is, and it's SW limitations and lack of 3rd party support... it's a great little craft to get around NFZ when needed. If Litchi, AutoPilot or others would support, it'd probably be a lot better... similar to the MA gaining several features, including Waypoints via 3rd Party.

At the same time, I personally enjoy 3rd party tools for my large & small platforms. Over the development path, several features introduced by 3rd Party (Litchi, Autopilot, FPV, mapping tools, terrain modeling, etc) have later been adopted by DJI tools. Most of the time their DJI equivalents are less than the offerings by 3rd Party in the manor how the features are implemented or used. Another advantage to 3rd party, several use their own core kernel inplace of using DJI SDK which releases many restrictions within DJI software.

Overall, the 3rd party tools improve DJI toolsets, which is a gain for those that only use DJI tools.

On the OSMO, as of today they released a new Osmo Action to directly compete with GoPro.
If you could use the 3rd party tools completely apart from the DJI app it would be one thing, but as I understand it you have to connect with the DJI app. Start Litchi, force close the DJI app and then go. That is a poor user experience. I've been tempted to try 3rd party apps with the drones, but have stuck to 3rd party OSMO apps.

The OSMO Action is intriguing, but I have one question about it which I can't find yet. One of the (incredibly stupid) things about the GoPro is it can't shoot 4k in linear mode. The new OSMO has an equivalent of linear mode, but is it locked out at some resolutions and functions like the GoPro?
 

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Everyone can compare but there is no argument that most serious drone owners will buy an Evo, you just do not get the freedom,portability and customer service with any other drone.
 

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If you could use the 3rd party tools completely apart from the DJI app it would be one thing, but as I understand it you have to connect with the DJI app. Start Litchi, force close the DJI app and then go. That is a poor user experience. I've been tempted to try 3rd party apps with the drones, but have stuck to 3rd party OSMO apps.

The OSMO Action is intriguing, but I have one question about it which I can't find yet. One of the (incredibly stupid) things about the GoPro is it can't shoot 4k in linear mode. The new OSMO has an equivalent of linear mode, but is it locked out at some resolutions and functions like the GoPro?
Actually that was partly true for older 3rd party tools.
They suggest you start with DJI GO apps (3 or 4) not to initiate the 3rd Party app or the connection for 3rd party app. The Connection is with Radio, not software. It's mainly because 3rd party apps don't write in the DJI parts that check firmware, versions, updates, etc. To insure craft it up to date they encourage GoApp connections for the logistics component. When you Unload / Kill the DJI Go App you remove all instances and start the 3rd party app since only 1 can run at time. The 3rd party App doesn't ever know you've started the DJI Go App previously even if you did start & verify.

But AutoPilot for example does not even use DJI code, it's all 3rd party. Litchi on the other hand used DJI SDK code... two different animals. One difference, DJI SDK allows you to fly connected with updated instructions and pause program, tweak and re-upload. AutoPilot you upload code and it doesn't use DJI restrictions but you can't modify either.. you have to terminate, reload, and start again. Pro & Cons of both.

Several others don't use DJI core kernel either... some similar to Litchi and other similar to AutoPilot's scheme of control & coding.

Osmo... the Action should be an interesting one to watch and get updated a few times in FW. I'm not a much of an Osmo user.... have a few Osmo for the X5 camera but don't really use. Looked at the new mini Osmo but just don't know where I'd use it yet.
 

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Everyone can compare but there is no argument that most serious drone owners will buy an Evo, you just do not get the freedom,portability and customer service with any other drone.
Interesting... good positive outlook but not accurate. The consumer sales (Evo & Mavic), DJI takes a huge market share, the ProSumer or Enterprise sales (Inspire & Matrice 200 or 600) Autel does not even compete and has zero market share. DJI owns & controls many of the variable that Autel even relies on to have production... such as the IC Chip factory & warehouses. Autel is hanging on, but so far hasn't become a threat or concern for other manufactures. The EVO is a nice craft, I like it a lot... it has a few features like no restricted NFZ that gives it worth, but professionally not too many used in any of the prosumer or enterprise fields.
 

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Interesting... good positive outlook but not accurate. The consumer sales (Evo & Mavic), DJI takes a huge market share, the ProSumer or Enterprise sales (Inspire & Matrice 200 or 600) Autel does not even compete and has zero market share. DJI owns & controls many of the variable that Autel even relies on to have production... such as the IC Chip factor & warehouses. Autel is hanging on, but so far hasn't become a threat or concern for other manufactures. The EVO is a nice craft, I like it a lot... it has a few features like no restricted NFZ that gives it worth, but professionally not too many used in any of the prosumer or enterprise fields.
I have see pro drone pilots using the Evo before in risky areas that are very small for a phantom or inspire to take video from it.
 

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I have see pro drone pilots using the Evo before in some videos that have risky video footages that are very small for a phantom or inspire.
As stated... they have a few nice uses, but splitting hairs... a few doesn't even hit 0.1 on the market share.
If cinema action, the Inpire 2 is needed for speed and the larger format MFT or Full 35 Camera.
Terrain mapping, need accurate stable platform with proper cameras that use 3rd Party specialty tools.
3D Modeling, or High End photo work requires a Full Frame Camera... all above the EVO design limits.

Mavic Air's are used in similar fashion... a roof inspection to fly between tree limbs & roof... small works great! Comes down to a craft they are willing to loose without concern. Mavic Airs and EVO are used in Tower Inspections for one purpose... send them up and see if EMI or Radar emissions are unsafe before you send up the $25-35K platform (platform, cameras, sensors, Thermo, etc).

On a Larger ProSumer Production scale, even the Inspire & Matrices aren't at the top but way lower cost option than other options of $25K upwards for platform only.

On the EVO's consumer market, it's a great aircraft!
 

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I may not explained well. What I mean is that some pro drone pilots use small drones like the Evo or mavic in video shoot that it's inside of a very limited space and an inspire or phantom is kind of big and very risky to use it.
 

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I may not explained well. What I mean is that some pro drone pilots use small drones like the Evo or mavic in video shoot that it's inside of a very limited space and an inspire or phantom is kind of big and very risky to use it.
Yep you're correct and I understood you... but my apology, I was condensing response into a smaller format and focused more on another tangent. The main focus was Pros, and the wide spectrum of sUAV professional fields that require platforms well out of the reach of a EVO & 1/2.3 sensor.

The smaller crafts are used at times, although many cinema shoots require a media size format that only Inspire2 with X7 35mm format or other crafts will provide and they won't accept the small 1/2.3 sensors. In a apartment or small area, a hand / rail gimbal are often used in place of drones. The hi-end Pros won't even consider DJI platforms, they use custom made low production quantity, extremely pricey drones that can go from a very powerfull Y-frame with 3 to 6 coaxial motors to a 12-frame with 30-60lbs RED cameras. Chatted to a on-site sUAV crew that was visiting my area of country, I inquired on the gear. They used 2 platforms, with 2 spares for each (6 total) and the platforms were above $30K each without the Cameras and Electronics. They were shooting car commercials and various product ads.

No argument, the EVO & MA have a specific use that some are utilizing.

Not to compare, but an Inspire 2 in a enclosed room... concert hall, stadium, arena perform & handle extremely well.
 
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I may not explained well. What I mean is that some pro drone pilots use small drones like the Evo or mavic in video shoot that it's inside of a very limited space and an inspire or phantom is kind of big and very risky to use it.
Yep you're correct and I understood you... but my apology, I was condensing response into a smaller format and focused more on another tangent. The main focus was Pros, and the wide spectrum of sUAV professional fields that require platforms well out of the reach of a EVO & 1/2.3 sensor.
I'll stand corrected... a little ;)
I'll reinforce your Pro usage, I came across an example a few months ago. A pro that normally used large specialty hi-end platforms was experimenting with M2P and I think a EVO. He had a scene on a high rise apartment's itty bitty balcony and he didn't want to remake and shoot the scene low. He wanted the high altitude visual, so he used a M2P (maybe EVO) to start just inside the balcony, drift sideways past couple (main focus) and continue the side drift on couple as drone went out of balcony 20-40 feet away from building. That scene would be very scary for the actors to have an Inspire 2's props a few feet from you. Granted he could have shot it on the ground level and used gimbal rails, but would have had to combine several sections for the same production effect. His choice of small format & rescale over multiple shots.

So ya, some Pro's are finding unique uses for the small ones.
 

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I'll stand corrected... a little ;)
I'll reinforce your Pro usage, I came across an example a few months ago. A pro that normally used large specialty hi-end platforms was experimenting with M2P and I think a EVO. He had a scene on a high rise apartment's itty bitty balcony and he didn't want to remake and shoot the scene low. He wanted the high altitude visual, so he used a M2P (maybe EVO) to start just inside the balcony, drift sideways past couple (main focus) and continue the side drift on couple as drone went out of balcony 20-40 feet away from building. That scene would be very scary for the actors to have an Inspire 2's props a few feet from you. Granted he could have shot it on the ground level and used gimbal rails, but would have had to combine several sections for the same production effect. His choice of small format & rescale over multiple shots.

So ya, some Pro's are finding unique uses for the small ones.
Did u saw the same scene as me? Are we susbcribe to the same drone pilot pro in YouTube? :)
 
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If you could use the 3rd party tools completely apart from the DJI app it would be one thing,
Got news for you. You can use Litchi without DJI GO. There was a time when you had to fire up go to calibrate etc.. that was way back on the Phantom series. Now Litchi works without starting go.
 

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Got news for you. You can use Litchi without DJI GO. There was a time when you had to fire up go to calibrate etc.. that was way back on the Phantom series. Now Litchi works without starting go.
Yep, glad you 2nd that message! Post #63
None of the 3rd party need Go App except for DJI updates or FW.
 

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Got news for you. You can use Litchi without DJI GO. There was a time when you had to fire up go to calibrate etc.. that was way back on the Phantom series. Now Litchi works without starting go.
Thanks for letting me know that. That might change my approach.
 

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